People love to hate on Nina/Nathalie Thiede but it are moments like this that make me like her: Nina and Doctor Axel Schwarz in the elevator was the highlight of this episode - and because even sweaty Daniel Aichinger is still nice to look at, I've included it for your viewing pleasure.
The Hot Zone: Killer virus is not airborne, which is a good thing since most of the major characters are at SCoBD and losing all of them would be a bummer. Nina and Doctor Axel Schwarz are trapped in the elevator and let it all come out: Nina calls on Axel for being the worst boss ever, he retaliates by telling her that she's the stupidest employee he's ever had.
Nice.
At the locker room of statutory rape, Roman is going through a locker and finds depilatory cream which we learn belongs to some dude called Lars. He asks Deniz whether everyone in the team uses it and Vanessa flips out, because she does everytime someone questions her boyfriend's masculinity. And rightfully so, darling! For what it's worth: Vanessa is appropriately more on edge than Roman and Deniz given the situation. But I guess some people resort to humor to get through a crisis, so Deniz and Roman's behavior isn't totally off the mark here. Vanessa, however, is less feeling the DeRo stand up routine and more worried about her family.
Back in the elevator, Axel opens up to Nina of all people to tell her that he's good on his own (read: he would really like to have friends) and always placed learning over relationships and friendships. These two fully expect to die, cause otherwise they'd already have strangled each other. I love it.
Roman spoons Deniz and Vanessa looses her shit. Deniz is all like: 'I didn't do anything, it was all Roman.' Did he just dream that he and Roman...? Yeah, totally. For those who have just tuned in, Vanessa repeats there is a killer virus on the loose and finds Roman coming on to Deniz highly uncalled for. Her insecurity shows, because really? I have seen STRAIGHT men be more intimate than DeRo in this very moment, but I guess I can understand where she's coming from. Roman finally speaks out what everyone thinks: 'You two are not a good match.' Oh, THAT has potential to be good. Tune in next week!
AS REQUESTED IN THE COMMENTS, HERE'S THE EXCHANGE AT THE END TRANSLATED:
V: Hello? What's up with that?
D: I didn't do anything, it was all Roman.
R: What did I do now?
V: I just fall asleep a little bit and you come on to my boyfriend?
R: I didn't come on to your boyfriend. I just slept.
V: Yeah, 'slept', whatever.
D: Vanessa...
V: No 'Vanessa'. Did you see how he mounted you?
R: Vanessa, take a chill pill - we didn't do anything.
V: Expect for spooning. Right.
D: Vanessa...
V: No. There's a lethal virus up there and we don't even know if anyone has died and YOU use this to cop a feel with my boyfriend?
R: Well, if you ever tell me again that Vanessa isn't bitchy...
V: Oh, I see. You're talking smack about me behind my back. Great.
D: Bullshit. We don't talk to each other at all.
V: So what did Roman mean by that?
D: I don't know.
V: WHAT. DID. ROMAN. MEAN. BY. THAT?
R: That the two of you don't belong together. That's what Roman meant by that.
The Hot Zone: Killer virus is not airborne, which is a good thing since most of the major characters are at SCoBD and losing all of them would be a bummer. Nina and Doctor Axel Schwarz are trapped in the elevator and let it all come out: Nina calls on Axel for being the worst boss ever, he retaliates by telling her that she's the stupidest employee he's ever had.
Nice.
At the locker room of statutory rape, Roman is going through a locker and finds depilatory cream which we learn belongs to some dude called Lars. He asks Deniz whether everyone in the team uses it and Vanessa flips out, because she does everytime someone questions her boyfriend's masculinity. And rightfully so, darling! For what it's worth: Vanessa is appropriately more on edge than Roman and Deniz given the situation. But I guess some people resort to humor to get through a crisis, so Deniz and Roman's behavior isn't totally off the mark here. Vanessa, however, is less feeling the DeRo stand up routine and more worried about her family.
Back in the elevator, Axel opens up to Nina of all people to tell her that he's good on his own (read: he would really like to have friends) and always placed learning over relationships and friendships. These two fully expect to die, cause otherwise they'd already have strangled each other. I love it.
Roman spoons Deniz and Vanessa looses her shit. Deniz is all like: 'I didn't do anything, it was all Roman.' Did he just dream that he and Roman...? Yeah, totally. For those who have just tuned in, Vanessa repeats there is a killer virus on the loose and finds Roman coming on to Deniz highly uncalled for. Her insecurity shows, because really? I have seen STRAIGHT men be more intimate than DeRo in this very moment, but I guess I can understand where she's coming from. Roman finally speaks out what everyone thinks: 'You two are not a good match.' Oh, THAT has potential to be good. Tune in next week!
AS REQUESTED IN THE COMMENTS, HERE'S THE EXCHANGE AT THE END TRANSLATED:
V: Hello? What's up with that?
D: I didn't do anything, it was all Roman.
R: What did I do now?
V: I just fall asleep a little bit and you come on to my boyfriend?
R: I didn't come on to your boyfriend. I just slept.
V: Yeah, 'slept', whatever.
D: Vanessa...
V: No 'Vanessa'. Did you see how he mounted you?
R: Vanessa, take a chill pill - we didn't do anything.
V: Expect for spooning. Right.
D: Vanessa...
V: No. There's a lethal virus up there and we don't even know if anyone has died and YOU use this to cop a feel with my boyfriend?
R: Well, if you ever tell me again that Vanessa isn't bitchy...
V: Oh, I see. You're talking smack about me behind my back. Great.
D: Bullshit. We don't talk to each other at all.
V: So what did Roman mean by that?
D: I don't know.
V: WHAT. DID. ROMAN. MEAN. BY. THAT?
R: That the two of you don't belong together. That's what Roman meant by that.
Now on to something I need to get off my chest and that will probably lose me a reader or 20:
ALLES WAS ZAEHLT is a fun show - it has compelling characters, good editing, fairly high production values and except for some of the younger actors people on that show can act. All these things don't give it some sort of protected status on this blog though. What AT THIS TIME is NOT good IMHO is the writing. I get a feeling that writers are struggling with what direction to take the show next. Killer virus is a prime example of that. A show where pretty average people (by soap standards anyway) were fighting a couple of months ago for the continued existence of their neighborhood that was in danger of being turned into a mall, now has these same characters exposed to a killer virus in a fitness studio. To be honest, this very storyline is something I'd far more expect on AS THE WORLD TURNS and VERBOTENE LIEBE, which set out to be over the top.
I am seriously disappointed by AWZ's handling of DeRo(Va) and - remembering the days back in the AWZ forum over on RTL's website - I am certainly not alone. For the purposes of this blog, which is not called 'The Best Soaps' but 'The Gays of Daytime', DeRo stands out as one of the best told coming out stories of all time. Unfortunately, with DeVa the VERY same show had one of the worst storylines for the purposes of this blog- ever.
Just for fun, I polled people about which show they would cancel on a fictional GAYDAYTIME television channel. I fully expected ATWT to come out on top by a huge margin. However, 47% of people who took the poll would rather cancel AWZ. I wonder why that is?
Certain people call on me for being overtly protective of ATWT and even VL. I really think I'm not. Well - yes, I AM being protective of ATWT because I want this storyline to succeed. Unlike Germany, where Ollian and DeRo are just one more gay couple on television, the very fact that Nuke exist is pretty groundbreaking. Is it told in a fresh and compelling way? Most certainly not and I think that I've made this pretty clear around here. For what it's worth: Nuke are rapidly approaching their one year anniversary. The mistakes that ATWT has made in the past and continues to make with Nuke simply come from the pressure this show is facing. How many gay rights groups and religious nutwings does GrundyUFA have to stand up to, defending what they're doing on AWZ and VL? Exactly... zero.
Do I hate AWZ? No, of course I don't. But from a GAYS of DAYTIME perspective there isn't a whole lot of good to say about it at the moment. Was I to be doing recaps for the ENTIRE show I'd probably have lots of good things to say about it - though I'd still hate on the awfulness that is killer virus. :-)
ALLES WAS ZAEHLT is a fun show - it has compelling characters, good editing, fairly high production values and except for some of the younger actors people on that show can act. All these things don't give it some sort of protected status on this blog though. What AT THIS TIME is NOT good IMHO is the writing. I get a feeling that writers are struggling with what direction to take the show next. Killer virus is a prime example of that. A show where pretty average people (by soap standards anyway) were fighting a couple of months ago for the continued existence of their neighborhood that was in danger of being turned into a mall, now has these same characters exposed to a killer virus in a fitness studio. To be honest, this very storyline is something I'd far more expect on AS THE WORLD TURNS and VERBOTENE LIEBE, which set out to be over the top.
I am seriously disappointed by AWZ's handling of DeRo(Va) and - remembering the days back in the AWZ forum over on RTL's website - I am certainly not alone. For the purposes of this blog, which is not called 'The Best Soaps' but 'The Gays of Daytime', DeRo stands out as one of the best told coming out stories of all time. Unfortunately, with DeVa the VERY same show had one of the worst storylines for the purposes of this blog- ever.
Just for fun, I polled people about which show they would cancel on a fictional GAYDAYTIME television channel. I fully expected ATWT to come out on top by a huge margin. However, 47% of people who took the poll would rather cancel AWZ. I wonder why that is?
Certain people call on me for being overtly protective of ATWT and even VL. I really think I'm not. Well - yes, I AM being protective of ATWT because I want this storyline to succeed. Unlike Germany, where Ollian and DeRo are just one more gay couple on television, the very fact that Nuke exist is pretty groundbreaking. Is it told in a fresh and compelling way? Most certainly not and I think that I've made this pretty clear around here. For what it's worth: Nuke are rapidly approaching their one year anniversary. The mistakes that ATWT has made in the past and continues to make with Nuke simply come from the pressure this show is facing. How many gay rights groups and religious nutwings does GrundyUFA have to stand up to, defending what they're doing on AWZ and VL? Exactly... zero.
Do I hate AWZ? No, of course I don't. But from a GAYS of DAYTIME perspective there isn't a whole lot of good to say about it at the moment. Was I to be doing recaps for the ENTIRE show I'd probably have lots of good things to say about it - though I'd still hate on the awfulness that is killer virus. :-)
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I took the latest episode as a good sign. It really felt they were showing how Roman "gets" Deniz and that Vanessa is the odd one out.
I have always had some issues with DeRo because I thought the "love" angle wasn't truly developed as opposed to the sexual attraction/sexual confusion angle. To me that was the biggest problem of stalker!Roman was that I had trouble understanding why Roman would even bother?
This scene is the first time in ages where it actually felt like maybe Roman liked Deniz for Deniz and not just as a hot bod and that actually gave me hope for a change.
It made me think that maybe if the writers really want to, they could bring DeRo back to new greatness. And maybe they could be a couple who went through some really messed up things and emerge better and more mature because of it. Not because they are hot, but because they fit when DeVa don't. Maybe there is a chance that that is where the story is moving. Maybe they are planning something special for the 500th episode. Maybe they could pull it off.
Remember, nothing about these scenes showed up in the spoilers at all, so maybe there are more spoilers that will turn out very different from how they sound.
Imagine how much more angry Vanessa would have been if she'd actually seen Deniz's hand on Roman's thigh instead of freaking out at only seeing Roman's arm across Deniz?
I love that Roman remarked to Deniz that he thought De said she wasn't bitchy. Awesome. =D
Vanessa's insecurities are totally showing and I can't blame her for feeling that way cause she's gotta know that the writing is on the wall but I also don't feel sorry for her.
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Re: your special comment...
I bitched for about a month when DeVa first came to be and the creass destruction of DeRo on various boards, including RTL's. Remember when that writer finally made a statement that basically said "we get how you feel but the story is not over"?
I understand your displeasure at the bad/highly questionable decisions by TPTB and I have felt for the past couple of months that they also don't know what direction to take either; that they're trying to drag out this triangle when they should be wrapping it up and moving forward with something new for all three characters. Still sometimes I can look past the glaring storyline issues cause most of the actors are good enough that it tempers my frustration at the lack of direction... though it seems like from the spoilers things are finally heading somewhere we might like in the long run but will be painful to watch in the short run. Whether or not we will enjoy where things go is another story altogether! =)
I am hopeful.
I think many probably voted for AWZ because there are many international fans who don't follow AWZ because there are no subtitles and at the moment the storyline doesn't give them that much of a reason to put in the extra effort and get invested. It just doesn't mean much to them. VL is subtitled and HO and ATWT are in English.
I'm sure if you had put up El Cor many people would have voted for it because not many are familiar with it and therefore they would miss it the least.
Not to say that AWZ doesn't have a lot of troubles, I'm just saying the voting was stacked against them for other reasons too. I do have to say, I do wonder if they have lost their way as a show. I could live with killer virus if it was a once in a lifetime big soap event, but they follow it up with Juli being forced to marry Maximilian in some sort of shotgun wedding apparently and they are getting a new man for Diana? What's next? Amnesia and devil possessions?
At least TPTB at AWZ seem to have the intelligence to cut off unpopular storylines smartly enough, after all they got rid of that dreadful Marian/Nina thing and of Jenny/Maximilian. So there is hope that DeVa will be sunk in a similar way eventually.
I have to say that I am coming at this show a little late. I didn't pick up on it until I found this blog thru AfterElton for the VL posts, videos and comments. From the American stand point I actually prefer this to ATWT which has degenerated overall much more than AWZ. While the DeRoVa story may drive you crazy, at least Deniz is shown in conflict with his feelings and there is interaction. The whole Nuke s/l is just so badly written right now that I can't stand to look at it. Its funny how these two shows seem to be paralelling each other in terms of lack of direction. But I still prefer AWZ. It at least feels grown up. And any show in the US that chooses to do a story about a gay couple should be prepared for whatever comes and not damage the story out of cowardice. I for one do not feel like giving P&G and TIIC of ATWT any slack. They started the story, they should have had the courage to tell it right or not at all!
JMO ;}
Zum Thema, ich glaube verschiedene Leute wollen verschiedene Dinge von ihren Soaps. Und es ist nun mal kein reiner AWZ Blog mehr. Grade weils viele nicht deutschsprachige Fans gibt sind so Sachen wie Humor und gute Dialoge schwer zu kommunizieren warum das jetzt gut sein soll.
Und schließlich ist es ein "Gays of Daytime" Blog und nicht ein "Wer ist die beste Soap" Blog. VL hat ja auch ihre Probleme (zb mit der stinklangweiligen Story um Fabians Familie), das streitet ja keiner ab, aber wenn man nur Ollian anschaut bleibt man halt vor dem Rest verschont.
Für mich leben Soaps halt nicht nur davon ob sie smart sind, sondern auch ob man eine emotionale Bindung zu den Figuren aufbaut. Und grade hier finde ich dass VL da durchaus gute Arbeit leistet auch wenn die Stories einfallslos sein können.
Zurück zu Soaps. Verschiedene Leute haben verschiedene Ansprüche an Soaps. Der eine will heile Welt, der nächste will wildes Drama. Der eine will möglichst bieder, der andere Aristrokratenklamauk. Der eine will Großstadtmileu, der nächste Lieber was was am Land spielt (Bergdoktor lässt grüßen). Der eine will Realismus, der andere bloß keinen Realismus. Das heißt nicht dass Leute die das eine wollen "besser" sind als die Leute die das andere wollen (obwohl es mehr oder weniger geben kann). Und solange es ausreichend Vertreter gibt, soviele verschiedene Serien wird es geben. Drum gibt es halt AWZ und GZSZ und Marienhof und Sturm der Liebe und VL und Lindenstrasse. Und alles befriedigt halt unterschiedliche Ansprüche. Und auch Nischenprodukte haben eine Existenzberechtigung.
Und wirklich, was hat die Qualität von AWZ mit Gay of Daytime zu tun? Ist ja nicht so als ob die besten Soaps ausgewählt werden und nur deren Stories behandelt werden (dann wäre ATWT schnell weg vom Fenster, aber es ist nun mal nicht so dass man in dieser Sparte grade die Qual der Wahl hat; Schließlich ist es doch auch interessant die schwule Stories von den verschiedensten Medien behandelt werden. gibt ja schließlich auch immer wieder Links zu Sachen wie Brothers&Sisters oder Greek).
AWZ is crap right now.
gaytime: maybe it was just a simple misunderstanding. In the other thread you wrote
"Good for y'all if you still root for AWZ - but just like everyone else I'm entitled to my opinion and that is that - RIGHT NOW (and that is all I'm saying) - ALLES WAS ZAEHLT is simply not a good show."
This sounded to me like you meant the whole show, not only DeRo. I agree with you that this blog is about gay storylines, so I couldn't understand the above statement.
What you wrote now is something else and probably you are right; I did not like the writing of DeRoVa either. Still liked the actors and what they made of it.
(But killer virus is GREAT :D )
I think many probably voted for AWZ because there are many international fans who don't follow AWZ because there are no subtitles and at the moment the storyline doesn't give them that much of a reason to put in the extra effort and get invested. It just doesn't mean much to them. VL is subtitled and HO and ATWT are in English.
MUST AGREE 100% If it were subtitled many more would enjoy it.I enjoy all the subtitled videos i can find on youtube and Love Roman!
Thanks for the blog!
Billy
Die Verehrung von AWZ in allen Ehren, aber willst du ernstlich behaupten dass es unmöglich ist für AWZ schlecht zu sein? Also die Zeit wo Jenny/Max, Marian/Nina und DeVa gleichzeitig liefen war schon verdammt mies (und viel zu viel ödes Juli/Oliver). Und guter Dialog und gute Schauspieler helfen auch nichts wenn man grad die nervigsten Paare und Figuren in den Vordergrund stellt.
AWZ is besser aber in erster Linie weil sie klug genug waren die nervigen Stories abzudrehen, die die Serie echt unerträglich zum Anschauen machten. Es mag ja für manche Leute reichen wenn pro Folge ein witziger Moment drin ist, aber wenn ich dafür durch mehrere unsympathische und langweilige Stories durchsitzen muss dann interessiert mich das herzlich wenig.
Auch AWZ ist noch davon gefeit mal einen Griff ins Klo zu machen. Auch wenn der Schnitt besser sein mag als bei anderen (und schneller wenns darum geht die Hand wieder rauszunehmen), wenn sie mal ins Klo greifen muss man das auch sagen dürfen. Aber wie gesagt, der Rest von AWZ (oder VL und ATWT) ist ja nicht das Haupthema hier, sondern fällt grade mal am Rande an.
Who is that heifer? And why is she with these two guys?
And what's RTL?
Can someone translate from when the three of them woke up to the end of the clip?
Thank you.
Uh, das hatte ich total verdrängt ;) Jenny/Max war blödsinnig und ich fand es auch schauspielerisch schlecht. Natürlich hat AWZ auch Phasen, bei denen ich mich frage, warum zum Teufel ich den Mist noch angucke. Ich habe mich nur dagegen gewehrt, AWZ sei insgesamt "not a good show", weil für mich die unterhaltsamen und toll gemachten Stories überwiegen. Okay? Aber jetzt wirklich genug davon.
AWZ is not subtitled that can turn a couple of people off. Maybe you should make a poll to see how many people speak German. The killer virus, somebody suggested it might be AWZ's answer to Fire in the Dog, a way to prune the cast. We'll see if anybody kicks the bucket in the next episode.
Tut mir leid, Gabi, aber einen muss es noch geben:
Warum darf es nicht Gaytimes Meinung sein bzw. warum kann er es nicht aussprechen, wenn er meint/ meinen würde, dass AWZ INSGESAMT im moment einfach "not a good show" ist?
Man kann über diesen Punkt ja geteilter Meinung sein, aber ich finde diese Art von Kritik hier - auf SEINEM Blog - wirklich absolut unangebracht...
Nika
Ja natürlich darf er es aussprechen, daran gibt es doch gar keinen Zweifel! Aber ich darf auch meine Ansicht dagegenhalten, nicht? Nichts anderes wollte ich sagen, tut mir leid, wenn ich das nicht eindeutig zum Ausdruck bringen konnte.
Wir sidkutieren hier nur, gaytime, oder?!
Getting the record straight: I personally never intended to make AWZ the role model for anything rather than calling it "the best of the best" or calling the self-irony of the show something that makes it worth to protect it.
I can fully support gaytime in his view that -for the subject of this blog- AWZ is not better than any other of the shows here and indeed is maybe at the moment in its solution (or better: no-solution) of its -f.e. gay- conflicts not a good example of constructing good plots all at the same time to be played to make it a hit show.
AWZ lost its path of constructing storylines for the whole cast and throws Maximilian from Jenny to Lena, from Lena to Juli and from Juli to -I can only smile rather than act- Nina Bott which is up next. They split Deniz and Vanessa up next rather for the sake of splitting and the teenage viewers feeling for them rather than for the sake of Deniz finding his identity and stand to his mistakes - which might have led him or will lead him to his mistakes he even committed when it comes to Roman. You add that unemotional couple of Oliver and Juli to that list.
I support that. But it´s a bit over-interpreting a soap opera in the sense of "following a strategy" when it comes to comparing VL or AWZ or anything. Though there are moments like now, when AWZ tumbles and it might be even harder for the actors to act rather than for the viewers to watch such a circus of plots, it´s rather obvious that each soap has such moments of re-orientation.
A) The contracts for the show in total and for the actors themselves are always up in the air in April as I believe therefore the re-orientation might have been around when it comes to playing this virus circus named "Steinkamp Zentrum".
B) Why do we even bother critizing a show for losing its path after 3-4 months?
There are shows running for 20 years in total with the example of "Bold and Beautiful" where an actress like Katherine Kelly Lang is thrown between the whole bunch of Forrester men and even the husbands of her daughter for ages now and the show still runs.
A soap is a soap and therefore has its ups and downs and there will always be those running for that plot or that plot. The interesting thing is if enough of the viewers are willing to follow that path. If not, it´s axed and a new constellation of characters comes up. What makes the gay constellation special is that, most of the time, the loyal followers make this plot a hit but there are other forces that axe it for uncontrolable reasons. That bores all of us and that arouses our bitterness. But this is what makes us write here. If everything is sweet like candy and we got those bed moments for Ollian or whoever, how boring this would be. For getting those boards to run and make it funny it´s necessary to make the gay community "suffer" and call for better writing, better acting or more self-confidence in sticking to a gay couple. And we ALL love drama!
Concerning "certain people" ...
Dear gaydaytime, as Gabi said, nothing that was said was meant in a rude or disrespectful way, it`s just a kind of dispute about different point of views, which I think is more interesting than one tenor about a subject. Sorry if it appeared like an attack.
I myself appreciate your work on this blog very much, though I have grown to enjoy the little political posts more than the actual soap ones Lol.
I personally believe that the constellation
DEROVA is quite interesting, though the actual
story might not have lived up to it`s potential.
But maybe it`s not "aller Tage abend".
When it comes to the disappointment of "certain people" (Lol) I understand what it is about, but nevertheless looking back, this might be about
the way we want life to be /in our case how we
would like homosexuals lifestile to be portrayed in
the broad media/.
But actually life and the political situation for homosexual people is`nt like that at all.
Maybe it differs lot`s between the countries, but
the problems we come across are still the same where ever you go, if you just look beyond the surface .
Concerning Deniz, that means that I can understand his feelings towards homosexuality.
You rush into something that seem to be so easy
because it is. But after your coming out you have to face living an every day life ... being a seventeen year old, turkish teenager I can´t really blame him to step back into the closet.
As sad as that is, it represents the reality of many people I got to know throughout my life:
Do what you want to in bed, but don`t show it in public. You can be gay, as long as you don´t look it.
Maybe the downfall in a format like a soap is , that you can´t actually deal with complex issues like that to an extend you would need to.
Friends again?!
I never got the impression that gaytime meant with his statement that AWZ could never be good again. Just that at the moment it was approaching ATWT levels of awfulness. Plus, mixed in maybe the disappointment of having had expected better of AWZ. Precisely because it used to be a better, smarter different show and maybe it seems like a loss to some that they now move to include things like Jenny/Max, Max/Juli shotgun wedding and KILLER VIRUS, right on the way of becoming "just another soap".
At least ATWT has always been a bit of a bottom feeder and not many people would have accused it of being somehow a superior show.
>if everything is sweet like candy
> and we got those bed moments for
>Ollian or whoever, how boring this
> would be.
Some people like boring. You say if all stories were like Ollian people would get bored, I say, if all storylines were like DeRoVa I would lose faith in gay stories on daytime very quickly. It's good that both exist. I say Ollian redeems stories like DeRo and current Nuke because they help you pass the time when those other stories suck. Maybe in the future Ollian will suck and by then DeRo will be the on on the up and help us get through the sucky Ollian times (note, I say suck in the sense of a pairing being badly written NOT in the sense of a pairing having to endure hardship).
I fully believe that it is possible that DeRo might return to former glory. But I also think that even if it had the best, most romantic, best written reunion and Deniz redemption story, the beginning of DeVa would still stand out as a huge WTF of bad writing. Not because it broke up DeRo, but because the storyline was bad writing no matter which side you rooted for.
Creating drama and axiety in the fans to "make things interesting" doesn't have to or rather shouldn't come at the expense of good character writing.
>AWZ lost its path of constructing
> storylines for the whole cast and
>throws Maximilian from Jenny to
>Lena, from Lena to Juli and from
>Juli to -I can only smile rather
>than act- Nina Bott which is up
>next.
That stuff drives me crazy. I was about willing to accept Max/Juli as a typical "bad buy falls for innocent heroine" story, but after going through the trouble of cajoling those two together with a highly idiotic and out there story, they again drop the plot like a hot potato and move on to the next woman yet again? Particularly since these aren't Ingo, Anette or Roman we are talking about where we could at least assume that the actors are good enough that they can spin crap into gold.
Concerning Deniz, that means that I can understand his feelings towards homosexuality.
You rush into something that seem to be so easy
because it is. But after your coming out you have to face living an every day life ... being a seventeen year old, turkish teenager I can´t really blame him to step back into the closet.
This has always been an interesting aspect AWZ should've (could've) explored more. See, the problem I have with that is that in general I would totally agree, but Deniz was portrayed in the aftermath of his coming out as being very secure with his sexuality, defending it several times in heated arguments with Marian. Even Marian was beginning to lighten up and accept Roman as Deniz' boyfriend. Minus some idiots on his ice hockey team, for the most part Deniz only experienced love and acceptance.
:-) I would argue that if anything drove him back into the closet, it was Roman's overbearing behavior, expecting Deniz' life to revolve 100% around him.
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I guess we can all agree that there are many reasons to love and to hate on any of these shows and that is what in the long run makes us fans. :-)
I fully believe that it is possible that DeRo might return to former glory. But I also think that even if it had the best, most romantic, best written reunion and Deniz redemption story, the beginning of DeVa would still stand out as a huge WTF of bad writing. Not because it broke up DeRo, but because the storyline was bad writing no matter which side you rooted for.
I totally agree, anon. Soaps are full of twists and turns but if the writing is at least decent and also somewhat true to character, then it's easier to swallow than when it is just badly written shit. And it always hurts more when it happens after really good writing, like the whole Deniz coming out storyline.
Thanks, GayTime, for the translation (and whomever requested it). I caught some of what Vanessa was saying when my ears weren't ringing, but it helps to know everything that was said.
Oh, not talking at all with Roman? Deniz, Deniz, Deniz... *shakes head* I guess that is because the last few times have ended with them kissing or lying about the kisses that happened.
Oh, and Vanessa totally doesn't understand the dynamics of the DeRo relationship if she thinks Roman mounted Deniz. =P
Gaytime... check your forum PM... present for you =)
So we all come together as one again.
Greetz to all "certain people". lol.
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